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Poster: Mandojammer Date: May 28, 2014 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The 1984 Project is finished........

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Completed on 28 May 2014 at 3:44 PM

There were 8 shows I graded as Best Show of the Year candidates:
4/20 and 4/21 - Philadelphia Civic Center
6/27 - Merriweather Post
7/13 - Greek Theatre
10/6 - Richmond Coliseum
10/12 - Augusta Civic Center
10/15 - Hartford Civic Center
10/28 - Berkeley Community Theater

I narrowed the list down to my Top 3: 6/27 Merriweather Post, 7/13 Greek Theatre and 10/6 Richmond.

10/6/84 in Richmond was by the slightest of margins the Best Show of the Year.

In addition to the 8 shows listed above, I ranked 13 other shows as "Stand Out Shows for the Year"

4/13 - Hampton
4/16 - Rochester
4/27 - Providence
5/08 - Eugene
6/13 - Red Rocks
6/24 - Saratoga
7/07 - Alpine Valley
7/14 - Greek Theatre
7/15 - Greek Theatre
7/22 - Ventura
10/08 - Worcester
10/18 - Meadowlands
10/20 - Syracuse

I had fun doing this.....but there are a few songs I never need to hear again. EVER.

If anyone has any questions about the project or for some odd reason would like a copy of the document let me know....

Peace........

This post was modified by Mandojammer on 2014-05-28 20:09:20

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 28, 2014 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project is finished........

I truly appreciate the effort and will reach out at a later date for the documents as I was at many, many shows in the much maligned year of 1984

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: May 28, 2014 5:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project is finished........

bd - After going through this, I'd have to say that claiming 1984 was a "bad" year overall is a pretty big overstatement. There certainly were some dud shows and dud tunes, but to bash the whole year isn't right. Consider yourself lucky to have seen the shows you did. The Greek run was great.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 28, 2014 6:58pm
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I caught Ney Years (end of 83 into 84_ shows at SF (now Bill Graham) Civic, Hampton and Philly in the spring; Cal Expo, Red Rocks, Greeks (hitchhiked down 1) to Ventura in summer, back east for fall Richmond, Hartford and back out to Bay for New Years. The Greek-Ventura week was personally epic for me on a lot of levels and one of the many reasons I'm back out here in this area... I guess I'm just a sucker for a high cost of living and low salary combo.

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Poster: wineland Date: May 28, 2014 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The 1984 Project is finished........

Well done Mando, excellent deadication, and thanks for the synopsis. I am dropping my son off at Scout Camp this weekend and have a quiet drive back so I'll bring your top recommendation with me. Just curious, what were the songs that wore out their welcome?

Here's a little info on the Silva Hall in Eugene (5.8.84). To this day it is a nice place to see music.
http://www.hultcenter.org/venue/promoters-guide/silva-concert-hall.htm

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Poster: Shug909 Date: May 28, 2014 2:12pm
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Day Job? :)

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: May 28, 2014 4:57pm
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"Day Job" grew old fast, but there were a couple that were really well done, high energy and perfectly placed in the show lineup. I'd still rather not hear it, but there were some fun ones out there.

"Don't Need Love" and "Far From You" never set the hook for me. I noted several times in the project that Brent was a great backup vocalist, but his lead was atrocious. Probably because the tunes were pure bubblegum dreck.

"I Just Want to Make Love to You" was damned with faint praise. The positive about it that I noted was that it wasn't "Far From Me"

"Tons of Steel" should have been drowned at birth. Then shot and burned. And drowned again.

"Why Don't We Do it in the Road" This is an acoustic emetic. Here are my notes from the 7/15 performance: "Why don’t we never play this again? This song is gratuitous bullshit and should immediately be skipped or fast forwarded over if not downright purged and deleted. Phil’s feeble attempt at humor by “doing it on the drums” was asinine. For those wondering....I didn’t like it. Pass the salad fork, I’d rather pull my kneecaps off than listen to this again. Ever. Nowhere but up....."

"Dupree's Diamond Blues" Brent's jangly keys killed this song for me. Nothing like the 2/22/69 Dream Bowl.

I also had a hard time warming up to "Hell In A Bucket" and to some extent "Throwing Stones", but most of that had to do with Brent's overly bright and jangly keys. There were some good ones, but I'd be inclined to hit the skip button when these hit the play list.

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Poster: Shug909 Date: Jun 2, 2014 9:09am
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Ouch! I'm a Brent fan and I love Tons of Steel, probably my favorite song of his.

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Poster: Reade Date: May 29, 2014 9:19am
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How about worst show?

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: May 29, 2014 4:40pm
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10/17 at Brendan Byrne Arena. Here's the whole write up....

53. 10/17/84 – Brendan Byrne Arena, East Rutherford, NJ

https://archive.org/details/gd1984-10-17.sbd.miller.32057.sbeok.flac16

a. Iko, Iko – Spider sense immediately tingled with the first jangly key note. We even had some predator chimey things. The saving grace was that Phil was enormous in the mix right from the start. Jerry’s vocals were pretty ragged, but that’s understandable given the strength of the last couple of shows.
b. Promised Land – Change the title to “Phil Bombs the Promised Land”. 1:45...B3 keys. Brent almost atones for Iko, Iko. Almost. Bobby’s rhythm is pretty hot. Jerry sounds a little bit loose. But the bass and keys more than make up for it. It seemed short and kind of clunked into the end and was overall, a little loose and borderline sloppy, but a pretty good 80s Promised Land. Close to 2 ½ minutes of tuning and dead air – not sure if something happened or if they were trying to tighten things up.
c. West L.A. Fadeaway* – Well, whatever they did in the previous 2 and a half minutes seems to be working. Jerry and Bobby are crisp with the entry. Phil is tossing out subtle bombs. Some feedback issues here and there in Jer’s vocal mic. Nice tasty solo from Jer at 2:40 carried on the back of Phil bombs. The pace seems really slowed down which allows you to listen in between the notes. Keys are a muted midi sound – not bad, but not B3. At least there’s no jangle. Bob’s rhythm from 5:00-5:20 is really nice. The whole song is well done. There is almost 2 minutes of dead air at the end. You can hear a little back and forth as MBE is noodled, but there is a strong TLEO tease before settling on MBE.
d. My Brother Esau* – Another game plan huddle during the dead air? Whoever called the “Phil drop bombs and Brent play B3” audible is a hero. This was a great performance that I don’t need to waste words on.
e. Brown Eyed Women* – Jerry pulls off a super crispy entry, and is quickly followed by a Phil bomblet run. But, it’s too good to last - why, oh why the jangly keys? Billy and Mickey are well separated. Jer’s vocals are pretty strong. Phil is in the front center of the mix and matched up very well with Jerry – the combo does a pretty good job of mitigating the jangle effect. This one turned out pretty good after a sketchy start. This show is starting to solidify.
f. New Minglewood Blues* – Phil continues to bomb away. 1:20 brings us a sweet understated crescendo B3 slide entry. I know what that means in my mind. Jer’s first solo at around 1:45 is crisp but loose. I also know what that means in my head. Phil and Brent are doing a great job of laying down a great line for Jerry to noodle on. Excellent separation between Billy and Mickey. Of course, Bobby forgets where he is and mumbles his way through the local shout out to the local girls who need a couple of shots of whiskey to look good. At 4:30 there is a confluence of musical perfection. Bob’s slide gets loose and sloppy through the 5:30 mark, but Jer follows nicely with a slick run. And Phil drops bombs. A solid performance.
g. Row Jimmy – A touch jangly and a bit loose here and there. The separation between Billy and Mickey is as sharp as it’s been so far. Phil is still dropping bombs and Jer’s noodles are crisp. Safe tune, well performed – not great, not bad.
h. Looks Like Rain – Bob sounds like crap – but the crowd still loves it. There are precious few performances of this song that make me not wish it was over faster. This was not one of them. Jangly keys do nothing for this song. I get that the crowd likes it – I do not.
I. Might As Well – The wheels are starting to wobble a bit. Phil is solid, but both Jer and Bobby are getting loose and sloppy with their riffs. This has always been a borderline raucous tune anyway so it still fits, but they need to tighten up a little. Brent is switching (it seems) between slightly jangled and straight electric piano – stick with the piano.
j. Help on the Way – 30 plus seconds of noodling and coaxing before everyone got on board. Phil starts strong – as he always does with Help. Annoying echo in Jer’s vocals at 1:00ish. This song is not enhanced by jangly keys. The echo in Jer’s vocals also magnify the mumble when he blows the lyrics. At least there’s Phil. Jer’s riffs are solid though. Wobbly start to the second set. Vocal echo still there at second verse, Jer still blowing lyrics. He must have enjoyed set break a little too much?
k. Slipknot! – I’d have to say they lurched their way into Slipknot. Keyboard clam at 0:05 perhaps an ominous indicator? Around 0:45, Jer and Phil settle into a nice jam that keeps the just short of annoyingly jangly keys in check.
l. Franklin’s Tower* – Too quick for my taste. That said, Jer’s opening riff was crispy and clean. Whether or not his vocals follow suit remain to be seen. The annoying echo is still there, but he sounds strong and clear. For now. Brent’s keys match the pace pretty well – they are bright, but not too jangly. I am guardedly optimistic that they have tightened the wheels a little. It was too good to last. Complete vocal meltdown at 7:10. While I’m not a fan of these later up-tempo versions, this one turned out to be pretty good despite a couple of vocal warts.
m. Man Smart, Women Smarter – There is something wrong in the universe when a song I really don’t like doesn’t sound half bad. The wheels are starting to wobble again. The only one who doesn’t sound loose is Phil. 4:15ish - wheels are really wobbling now. This show may be getting away from the boys.
n. Terrapin Station – Given the recent sloppy downward trend in the show over the last few songs, I am overcome with great trepidation. Uggh, rhythm clams at 1:05. I remain optimistic. Optimism waning....another clam at 3:00. Jer’s first solo at 3:20ish was okay – at least there weren’t any horrendous clams. Phil is a steady presence, but the song is still rocky. At 7:10, Jer’s vocals take a noticeable downturn in clarity and strength. He’s dropping clams more frequently. I’m not sure if singing and playing is causing problems, but it seems as if Jer’s instrumental work is fine, but when he sings, both fall off? Not sure what is happening at 12:00 on. Seems like you could almost call this a Terrapin>Space>Drums>Space? Terrapin themed whale song at 14:10? I’m sure this was received well by the crowd, but this was not a strong performance for this year or any other.
o. Drums>Space – Drums>Space is supposed to be loose and unorganized right? I may be exaggerating a bit, but it was tighter than most of the second set songs so far. 6:45 brings the first concrete TOO tease/noodle. We’ll see – there’s almost two minutes to run off track. Phil bombs at 7:40ish gives me hope that the entry into TOO will be huge. If it turns out to be TOO.
p. The Other One* – It did and it was. Then comes angry Bobby vocals. Which are promptly flubbed....”It trembled and exploded, ha nnnnnnnnnna, nnnnnna, nnnnnnnnn, blaaaaaaa.” Then he jumps into the middle of the next verse and starts ad libbing – “It trembled and exploded, left a bus stop in its place. That’s where I got off and I left, the human race...... heeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyy.” Jerry jumps in with a pretty badass riff at 0:45 to save Bobby. Phil is providing outstanding suppression fire. Oh what will the second verse bring? 1:20 brings us some interpretive batshit rhythm guitar. Duck at 2:15 or get hit in the lips with Phil bombs. 4:30 brings us Phil bombs in the megaton range. I don’t know what to think – vocals were shaky, instrumental jams were pretty darn good. Fine, it was good. I’m weak.
q. Truckin’ – Ooooffff. PT Barnum drum major whistle circus entries rarely turn out well. Oddly enough, this one sounded loose but controlled. Bobby’s vocals are pretty sloppy, but he doesn’t have a major vocal flub and even throws in a somewhat humorous “Ever since she went and had her sex change....” version of the Sweet Jane verse. Jer’s riffs sound pretty crisp. Brent is B3 and Phil is solid. Nasty feedback at 4:25. The slop is spilling over to the soundboard. Yet....it wasn’t too bad.
r. Stella Blue – Decent transition into Stella. Jer’s vocals start out clear and relatively strong. And then we promptly get chimed. Then Jer’s vocals get hit with an echo/reverb. He sounds like he’s singing into a bucket. In less than a minute a promising start to a great song went south. How can you screw up a good thing? Follow the roadmap that was this show.
s. Goin’ Down the Road Feelin’ Bad* – Here’s to hoping that the B3 will carry this show to a merciful close. Jerry’s vocals are by now, ragged. They’ve done this tune enough that it should be automatic, but the way the rest of this show has gone, they could still find a way to hose this one up. Jer’s first riff at 1:40 is pretty clean and crisp. Looks like they’ve managed to muster enough strength to limp across the finish line. Jer lets go at 3:00 with a somewhat frenetic sounding solo. Clams are dropping in here and there – the whole thing is getting loose, consistent with how the show has gone. Everyone seems to be getting in on the act. The hurried pace somehow, somehow, actually blends into an enjoyable, if sloppy, performance. Even the vocals get loose and sloppy after 5:00 with the random Bobby scream and the Brent woos and wails. I can’t get the mental image of the Muppets Band (with Monster playing all the instruments) going bat shit and playing this song. Huge clam at 6:25 as this one limps to a close. The crowd roar trumps my vote.
t. Brokedown Palace – Well received by the crowd. This song is a perfect capstone to what was this show. The B3 was great, the vocals were weak, tired and ragged. Complete Jerry vocal meltdown at 1:35 with the “Sing a lullaby” verse. He groans his way through – you can hear someone tell him “Beside the water”, but I guess Jer sang himself into a lullaby. You can’t argue with the emotion he poured into his solo at 4:30, but that was one of the few highlights. This rendition of Brokedown is a precursor of how things would become in later years. The song was aptly named and it accurately described a brokedown show.

This was a painful show to listen to. Sloppy, too loose, a few high points amidst a sea of mediocrity. Worst show of the year (so far) by far.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 29, 2014 5:04pm
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but at least they had always gentle, kind loving security and locals to make you feel at home....

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: May 29, 2014 9:46pm
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yeah right.

I only got shut out of one show in my Dead career...and it was this show. And I had to run to keep from getting beat up by the security for standing near the entrance of the parking lot holding one finger in the air - the finger that asks for one ticket. My car was like 16 miles away across the parking lot...closer to Giants Stadium than to the Byrne.

Glad to hear it was the worst show of the year!

Thank you.

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Poster: Reade Date: May 30, 2014 9:34am
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Huh. The best and worst shows of '84 11 days apart in October.
Goes to show you don't never know what each show you play lay in store...

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Poster: utopian Date: May 28, 2014 9:28pm
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4-19-84 made me melt the other day

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Poster: stratocaster Date: May 28, 2014 6:00pm
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I wouldn't mind a copy of your research...I can feel the energy of 10-06 right off the bat, it's a great show...I'm about a month or two from finishing 1981 in review...not so huge as your study, mine is an excel spreadsheet that has a number of categories and shows are graded, etc. it has to be quite a few pages long at this point...let me know what year you plan on doing next, if any...my thought is to do a special month or tour instead of a whole year, like summer 1974 for example or June 76, anything

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: May 28, 2014 6:33pm
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strat -

Shoot me an email at mandojamr at yaw who daught calm and I'll push the entire document to you tomorrow.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: May 30, 2014 12:30pm
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Hey Mando....
email sent. would be interested in seeing your analysis. so you may as well send one home to DE.

If you give me a street number, I'll print an extra and bury it over in the old back yard in Lancashire ala time capsule style so that future generations may perhaps one day discover your prose!! :)

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Poster: craven714 Date: May 30, 2014 10:14am
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Excellent job R. Seriously. Just from the preview~~
Im sure I will laugh and cry and it will become a part of me...
BTW ~ my printer hated you for about 7 minutes :P
but all things pass.

THANK YOU

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Poster: Skobud Date: Jun 16, 2014 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Copy of the '84 year in review

Hey Dude

I would love a copy of this '84 year in review to feature at TA. You wouldn't have to register or anything if you didn't want to Mando, but it's exactly shit like this I love to archive. I'll give you you own corner at TA that will feature your take on '84.

Shoot me an Email and attach it if you would be so kind.

Skobest@gmail.com.

Hope all is well - Meatstick.

Tim

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Poster: Kate. Date: May 28, 2014 3:02pm
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Should DaveL be reading, this would appear to add credibility to the growing number of requests on deadnet for an individual or box release of the Greek run...great work!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: May 28, 2014 5:11pm
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Kate - Couldn't agree more. The July Greek run was solid. I'd buy that release in a heartbeat. You could easily add the Ventura shows a week later and the Alpine Valley show from 7/7/84 for a pretty hot July run.

A case could also be made for the Philly run in April, but July was a little more consistent.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 28, 2014 5:47pm
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Though I won't be taking advantage of your efforts, R, I do applaud the work ethic, and can only hope you have the notion to consider 68 sometime down the line.

;)

Hope Mrs MJ is hanging in there.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: May 28, 2014 5:53pm
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I am toying with the idea of doing 68, 72 and 77.

Will shoot you an offline email with an update. Not good, but will be better soon.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: May 28, 2014 10:12pm
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I would think after all this Herculean effort that 75 might be just about right ...
Such a through look at a neglected year is a great service . I too would like to see the whole thing when you get an easy way to get it to us etc.

I had to laugh at your list of songs that " I never need to hear again. EVER." .
I can just imagine, "Goddammit, not this song again !" .
If you really ever want a thankless job maybe 94 ...
I bet some of those Vince songs, would make one long for those Brent tunes ...

Seriously congratulations .

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Poster: Pat Buzby Date: May 29, 2014 8:01am
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"I bet some of those Vince songs, would make one long for those Brent tunes ..."

Perhaps, although some days I'd rather hear Samba than another one of Brent's angry-at-women tirades.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 28, 2014 1:43pm
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What is the best source for 10/6/84?

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: May 28, 2014 3:44pm
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https://archive.org/details/gd1984-10-06.127557.set2.schoeps.oade.BCE.flac1648
is awfully tasty & relatively new to LMA circulation (this spring). Try gd1984-10-06.124157.chasingwiilma.flac24 also. This provides the end of set 2 to this Oade analog recording.

While I don't disagree with your evaluations, I remember ranking things differently at the time (e.g., 6/26 over 6/27). It's amazing how one's perceptions change with time....

Thanks for doing this! I really enjoy

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: May 28, 2014 4:56pm
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S - this is the one I used after trying them all.

http://archive.org/details/gd84-10-06.aud.unk.3160.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 29, 2014 7:33pm
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I admit that going in it was going to be a tough to change my mind about 10/12 being the Top of the Pops for '84. (Or to be more accurate the second frame of 10/12- including the Don't Need Brent Love.) After listening to 10/6 a few times through I do not have a new champion- but this is one heck of a show and a stand out among the back fifteen years.

This show reminds me of 3/22/90- very energetic, bright and tons of Phil. Cassidy is the prizewinner of frame one- just beautifully done. Minglewood has some extra hot sauce. The whole first set is frisky and well played.

Scarlet/Fire is of the same lineage- and made me think of the comparison- to the Copps show. The PITB is exquisite. If the post lyric transition/loosening jam can grab me like this one does beginning at 4:00... China Doll is another pure (ghostly) nugget. Post D/S is good, but doesn't bring me to the same peaks as 10/12.

If one has seen vid/pics/live the fall '85 E.C. tour it is amazing that Garcia was able to be coherent - let alone play with some fire and command as he did. He looked awful! Phil is huge and everywhere during this show.

Mando- thank-you for this effort. I will address all future questions & comments about this project to this thread. Also, please consider c&p'ing your reviews of the top 10 or whatever shows to their sources of note.

Could you please send me a copy?

btw- Both sources for 10/6/84 sounded about the same to my ears (... to be takin with at least 5 grains of Na ;-)

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Poster: Shug909 Date: May 28, 2014 1:12pm
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That is impressive dedication. Thanks for your efforts. I'm always looking to find those hidden gems and the cream of the crop that I don't yet know about, so this is really appreciated.

Have you done this for other years? If so, I'd love to see your picks for any other years.